ABY: Those Anglicans who join the Ordinariate. They won't be real Catholics you know.
Interviewer: But they would simply be in a similar situation to the Eastern Rite churches wouldn't they?
ABY: What is Eastern Rite Churches?
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And you're not a real archbishop, mate!
I guess the man doesnt have to know everything to be a church leader or wouldnt be one but what is the definition of a real catholic. I really dont think anglicans are necessarily real catholic who are anglican. However when they are confirmed into the same communion as any other baptised catholic that would make them a catholic to by rite wouldn't it?. I get confused myself about all the different rites and orders.
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Dear Fr. L, I sympathise with your frustration on this issue. Did ++Sentamu actually state that he didn't know about Eastern Rite Churches?
As a married man discerning a call to Holy Orders and a call to join the Ordinariates, it's incredibly annoying to see the level of ignorance displayed even by senior clerics (in both the Catholic and Anglican churches).
This is the Archbishop of York?? St. Wilfrid must be spinning in his grave -- sheesh ...
Abp Sentamu did not express his ignorance about Eastern Rite churche. I was being snarky.
I don't actually know how much or little he does know about Catholicism, but in my experience with Evangelical Anglicans their ignorance on such matters is surprising and dismaying.
Even amongst higher level clergy there is a terrible ignorance and blind sport regarding Catholicism.
Well, based on what I've been reading they won't be real Catholics. They'll be Anglo Catholics who don't like what the Anglicans are doing. They will go on worshiping in the same way they always did, probably not even mixing with other Catholics and will have it all their way. Sounds more like a sect than real Catholics. This guy isn't a real archbishop but maybe he knows more about his people and the situation than we do.
Dymphna, of course they'll be 'real' Catholics just as much as a Catholic in one of the Eastern Rite churches that has its own liturgy and hierarchy.
If you read the transcript, I suspect a mis-speaking on the part of the Archbishop, and the journalist cutting him off.
Archbishop Sentamu: “If people genuinely realise that they want to be Roman Catholic, they should convert properly, and go through catechesis and be made proper Catholics. This kind of creation [the Apostolic Constitution] — well, all I can say is, we wish them every blessing and may the Lord encourage them. But as far as I am concerned, if I was really, genuinely wanting to convert, I wouldn’t go into an ordinariate. I would actually go into catechesis and become a truly converted Roman Catholic and be accepted.”
William Crawley: “So those Anglicans who take advantage of the Apostolic Constitution, you’re saying, would not be ‘proper Catholics’?”
Archbishop Sentamu: “Well, I mean, I’d be very surprised –”
William Crawley: “What would they be if they are not ‘proper Catholics’?”
Archbishop Sentamu: “They would be what they are: an ordinariate of the Vatican.”
By "proper" he means "I'd go the whole hog and be a complete ROMAN Catholic" ("they should convert properly") and then William Crawley interrupts him and doesn't let him explain what he means.
He'd be very suprised if what?
Dymphna, do you know anything about Eastern Catholics? There are 23 sui juris Catholic churches and the 22 Eastern Churches do worship in their own rites, in the same way they did prior to being in Communion with Rome.
Yes, I've been to the Eastern rite Mass. Sadly, the average Catholic doesn't know they exist and the one's in my area aren't interested in changing that.
"And poor Sentamu is getting a battering for his claim that Ordinariate members would not be 'real Catholics'. I think people should lay off him. The plain and obvious fact is that he is not very bright. Dissecting his utterances is just cruelty to dumb animals."
The above was Fr. Hunwicke's reaction to the quote from Ab. Sentamu - and might have been said by Malcolm Muggeridge if he were still around... Ouch!
I do think the Ab's words were unduly played up and, given the opportunity, he might have clarified them better - always a problem with interviews and 'sound bites'.
But I can understand the reaction and frustration of those who are seriously considering accepting the Holy Father's generous invitation. Such a comment - and others from denizens of Westminster - serves to undermine the goodwill expressed by the Holy Father.
But, of course, that may also be the intention...
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