Friday, August 05, 2011

A Solution for Atheist Clergy

Robert Piggott reports here about the Dutch Protestant clergy who are atheists and agnostics. What amuses me about such articles by English journalists is how very serious they all are about such nonsense.

I remember studying at Oxford and Cambridge and reading some of the radical theologians of the time--Don Cuppitt and Maurice Wiles and other Myth of God Incarnate guys. What a load of intellectual claptrap they all talked with their serious expressions, their anguished pondering and their ingrown existentialist angst...

I remember John Drury at Cambridge in his weedy voice going on about 'the darkness of God' or some such. He was basically equating his own loss of faith with the dark night of the soul. How ridiculously self righteous and pompous can you get?

Their talk was along these lines: "I think I would want to say that in some sort of way that is not seeking to be dogmatic of course that one could speak of God (as it were) in a method that was at once subjective and existential in its language and yet at the same time objective and 'out there'. This objectivity of course would be be dependent on the subjective and spring from it so that in a very real sense one could say that God (if such a concept is not too outmoded) could be said in some very real sense to reside within the longings of each human being and what are these longings? If we unpack this we would come to see that these longings are, I think, be the longings for acceptance, yes, certainly acceptance and with this an understanding in the civil forum of equal rights for all and then there might be a sense in which one could say or at least propose a concept of human love whatever that may be in which that longing for union or unity with another somehow reflected what has traditionally been referred to as divine love although it would be difficult to define this in any real sense apart from the appreciation one might have for, example a fine work of art or a glass of claret after a particularly good dinner at high table."

And on and on. You get the idea. The fact that these Protestant ministers still draw their paycheck is outrageous, and the fact that their people fund the paycheck is even more ludicrous. The problem is many of the established Protestant churches are funded by a European church tax. You sign up on the tax form what your religion is and the government takes ten bucks or so and it all mounts up and the local Protestant atheist minister still gets his stipend.

These guys need a wake up call. I suggest the Dutch Reformed Church establish a clergy sharing arrangement with some of the Protestant outfits here in the Deep South.  That would shake them up. The hillbilly Christians over here wouldn't stand for that sort of fraudulent nonsense. Might even make the Rev'd Gert Netterlander handle a rattlesnake or two to see if he has 'the anointing' or not...

Meantime Pastor Ronny Hawkins could take over Rev'd Gert's church in Holland and shoot the gospel gun, thump a few Bibles, rumble out the old time religion teach them to sing all eight verses of Just As I am Without One Plea, have a few altar calls and get them folks saved.

8 comments:

  1. Insanity rules in Europe

    What these guys need is a good Thomism

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  2. Last night I found my daughter watching a special about whether there is life after death. It was all rather earnest and the word "Jesus" was used far more frequently than usual on network television. But one of the people profiled about her near-death experience was, I kid you not, an "atheist minister." She had the standard near-death deal, with the person in the light telling her to go back, which she managed to both say was a universal experience for all people that should be cherished, and totally meaningless as we are all going to the same place we came from: nothingness.

    The show did not say anything about how she got to be an atheist minister or what an atheist minister does. However, what she APPEARED to do was be exactly like the sort of female minister who appears on Christian television, with the same sort of hairdo and outfit and super-sweet way of talking. I don't know if she is always like that or if she was trying to "represent" for her fellow atheist ministers on television. Weird!

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  3. An atheist minister is a satanist in denial who likes his 'paycheck' this side of the gates.

    Repent! Hell is forever,

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  4. It's not just the Dutch Protestants. Recently retired Irish Catholic bishop, Willie Walsh (served 25 years) told a journalist that he is not at all sure that there is an afterlife! Some poor Irish Catholics are paying his pension. I'd want him to refund all his income for the last 25 years and invoice him for housing and food.

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  5. "I think it's very liberating. [Klaas Hendrikse] is using the Bible in a metaphorical way so I can bring it to my own way of thinking, my own way of doing."

    Wim De Jong says, "Here you can believe what you want to think for yourself, what you really feel and believe is true."

    Oh so very telling!

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  6. Speaking of snakehandling, I can recommend two books available in the Greenville Co. Library System:

    Salvation on Sand Mountain

    Serpent-Handling Believers

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  7. Thank you, an excellent parody of the Anglican Oxbridge theology dons (there were certain honourable exceptions) of a certain era. Instantly recognisable to those of us who encountered them. But it's nothing, of course, compared to the situation now.

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  8. What does the Vicar think of all this?

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